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for you. that's it for me today. >> he was perhaps the most famous defendant on the plant et and now after years behind bars o.j. simpson is in court asking for his freedom. i'm brook baldwin, the news is now. >> monster, hateful, i hope he rots in that jail. >> a cnn exclusive, the brothers of an alleged kidnapper and rainest get candid. a teen athlete found dead inside a gym mat. his parents are demanding answers. >> kid you believe that? >> no. >> and you still don't believe it? >> no, i don't. >> plus legend saying good buy. what happens now to the view. >> and live during the show, an
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astronaut bids well to space. ♪ >> here we go, good to see you on this monday. i'm brook baldwin. we begin with breaking news an sur veal video. police say, this car right here upside down, that's the get away car. obviously it is now completely flipped over after this high speed chase in atlanta. this in the middle of a major interstate in the city. look at the traffic. for hours they've been sitting there. we're told a woman walked into a bank, said she had explosives, handed a letter to the teller and then jumps into her car, drives away. we have no clue whether or not she made off with me cash from the bank. what we do know is that the bomb squad just finisheds checking the toppled over car, you see
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them on the ground, for explosiv explosives, all clear on the car. but we are now told crews are at the bank looking for explosives there too. the woman in custody right now. that interstate which is a major artery in the city, you saw the bumper to bumper traffic was at one point and perhaps still now completely closed down. backing up traffic for miles and miles. both directions are back open. as soon as beget updates we'll pass them along live to you on cnn. let's talk about some courtroom drama today. with all due respect to jodi arias there's really nothing like it when o.j. simpson goes on trial. and o.j. simpson is back in court. a little grayer, maybe a couple more pounds, back in court in las vegas. we wants another trial. he want his freedom back. let me take you back briefly
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2007, 12 years after his acquittal lead these five beefy guys on a recovery operation. you will hear o.j. simpson confronting to men in a small vegas hotel room. he believed they were trying to sell items they had stolen from him. here he was. >> [ bleep ] don't let nobody out here [ bleep ] [ bleep ] get over there. [ bleep ] [ bleep ] mike took it. so as it turned out two of simpson's tough guys were armed that day. that didn't help simpson plead his case out. i want you to look at his face
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as the guilty verdict was read. not happy. he said he was only taking items that rightly belonged to him. that was a short version for you today. with us now to help us fill in the blanks, a defense and former prous court from new york. and tanya aker. both of you welcome. tonya, let's start with you. the crux of this o.j. simpson is blaming his lawyer for the conviction. yale -- >> it's certainly that, brooke. let's back up to what o.j. said that galanter said. >> he said he was within his light rights to recover his property as long as there was no trespass, no physical force.
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so even assuming that galanter gave him this advice, o.j. didn't follow up. you can get a new trial if you make a claim -- if your counsel, if you did get ineffective asis tense from counsel and you've got to show prej. i don't see prej here. even if galanter gave him the advice, he went pa far beyond the bounds. >> randy, it was also said here as we move forward this time we'll actually hear him testify. we didn't hear from him testifying in the criminal trial. do you imagine he will be persuasive. >> there is no question that in order to meet -- it's a two. prong standard. the police came out with it in 1964. one mr. simpson has to show that his lawyers, the work that he did, the standard of his work
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was so deficient that it fell below a minimum requirement of what we expect from lawyers. in other words that you can't trust the trial because the lawyer did such a bad job. in addition he's got to show prejudice. in other words but for the lousy work done by the lawyer there would be a different result. the only way that's coming out is by o.j. simpson testifying to a few things. mr. galanter told me what i was doing was okay. he never told me there was a plea offer on the table where i could have gotten a lot lesser time. three, i wanted to testify and he told me not to testify and had i testified the jury would have known the truth. i didn't know that there was a gun and it was my stuff. >> do you think that that will fly, your one, two and three? do you think he's get a new trial? >> it's only a hail mary when it's not happening to you. >> tonya, what do you think? >> i don't think that he's met either of the standards that my
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e steamed colleague had enumerated. one, even if galanter gave him the advice, he went beyond the bounds of it. secondly, it's a lot of backward looking, rethinking lawyer strategic advice. that's not ineffective assistan assistance. he can't demonstrate that had hoe gotten on the strand that the jury would have believe him. judges do not grant new trials willie nilly. there's a great interest in having fa nalty. in other words to get a new trial you've got to shown that something went terribly wrong. >> we'll see how the hail mary goes for him. we'll follow it along. also toads jurors in the trial of the philadelphia abortionist are hung. but it's not clear which counts are causing the stalemate.
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the judge has directed the jury to keep on deliberating as they that been for the last four weeks. he is alleged of killing babies borng alive. multiple counts of illegal abortions, theft, solicitation, other offenses. if convicted of first degree murder he could get the death penalty and what a tragic mother's day here. this event meant to unite the community but ended with people scattering to get away from the gun fire. watch this amateur video of what happened at a parade in new orleans. >> got the -- [ gunfire ] >> police say bullets hit 19 people. some of the video we're showing with you here of the aftermath is disturbing. it's tough to look at.
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a ten-year-old boy is among the wounded. initially officer r were looking for three shooters. look at all of these people being treated in the aftermath. take a look at the people who are highlighted. today their focus is on the man in the white t-shirt. you can see why. surveillance video shows him how the crowd is running from him as he is shooting. one of those hit by gun fire is a journalist who has spent a lot of time in new orleans covering katrina, this was the one weekend that was supposed to be all fun and no work for him. i'm sure so many people who were there at the parade -- he is marc. he's joining me now. as you told our producer that you were in town you didn't have a speck of work to do and here you are, you become part of the
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story. tell me what you saw. >> i should say i was not the only journalist that was shot there. i was part of the second line parade. every neighborhood marches on a given sunday behind two or more brass bands. there were three bands yesterday with dancers. i happened to be with the third at the end of the procession and the shooter was right behind me. i did not see the shooter but i could tell from the sounds and i know what gun fire sounds like from previous reporting that the shooter was probably about 10 feet behind me. you can see me on the video i think you just showed. i heard the pop pop pop pop saw everyone running and like everyone else i ran an threw myself down oun the pavement i was lucky just shot in the leg. there were other people much more seriously injured. no word on fatality us yet.
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seems like everyone will sur vooi. i was a scary, senseless stupid thing. >> i want to get to that stupidity here in just a moment and talk about new orleans. you mentioned that one of the shooter us was behind you. we highlighted one shooter that was running away. did you get a sense of how many shooters there might have been? . i know that the police are saying two and perhaps three shooters and i have no reason to doubt that but i can't confirm that. i only heard shots coming from one direction. i believe that at the time i counted about seven or eight shots but i don't have further information than that. >> i too have read different reports and i wanted to know from dwrur perspective being there, what you heard. just reading the times this morning, they talk and about how five people were shot on mlk and
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now this on mother oes day. you have covered wars, you have seen far worse. but one of the women who was shot this weekend, this according to a radio station out of new orleans, just gay an interview about the violence in her city. i want to share that with our viewers. >> if you live here and you, you know every six months someone that you know or a friend of someone or a family member of someone that you know is murdered, you know, after a while it begins to really tear at you internally. and so i just, i feel that we're at the point that we cannot not fix this anymore. >> mark, what do you make of what she's saying? just reading about new orleans, i think of all of the shooting we've covered in chicago. how do we stop this from tearing -- >> yes. my hart goes out to everyone here in new orleans. it's a city that i love that all
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americans should love. this is a deep part of our culture as a nation. it is where jazz was created. sit the harbor at the mouth of our biggest river on the continent. we need new orleans as a city to work. it has been battered after the hurricane and the oil spill. i hope that that incident will lead the police and the mayor -- the mayor came out yesterday and made strong statements about this how they're going to get to the bottom of it this time, they're not going to let it carry on. i think that is hopeful that perhaps in the same way that the newtown shootings, that terrible tragedy focused the nation and our political leaders about finally getting sirius about the problem and not just lip service. these were two idiots or one idiot who did the shooting, shooting at another target thinking they're going to shoot into a crowd of people. you can see on that video there are kids there, there with women there. and thinking that they're only to shoot the person they're in
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touch with. it's a product of the poverty, the ignorance, the gang wars here. we can stop this but we've got to focus on it with serious resources and not just rhetoric. >> horrendous what happened there. we're glad you're okay and we wish obviously the women who were hurt worse well. the case of a murdered california girl taking a startling turn. the police have arrested her 12-year-old brother on a homicide charge. cnn has just learned that the 12-year-old suspect was suspended earlier this year from his middle school for bringing a small pocket knife to school. the boy was home alone with his younger sister. this was just last month when he was found stabbed to death. police haven't revealed what kind of knife was used but their mother spoke to cnn affiliate
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kovr just hours before this boy's arrest. >> he was very close to his sister. he went to every doctor's appointment with me when i was pregnant. i know my son could never hurt his sister. they never used to fight when they were little. he never pushed her around like big brothers and sisters to. >> he originally said he had seen an intruder leaving the home sparking a manhunt through the town. the police are not saying where the brother is being held or when he will appear in court. coming up next the irs scandal targeting the tea party members hit a new level. our chief correspondent jessica yellin joins me next. you'll find reviews on home repair to healthcare written by people just like you.
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#%tia[ ...and we inspected his brakes for free. -free is good. -free is very good. [ male announcer ] now get 50% off brake pads and shoes at meineke. . breaks news here on this monday afternoon. we have been following the trial out of philadelphia involving this abortion doctor, ker mitt gos them who is charged with 263 different count.
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we know the jury has been deliberating. he and his staff at the clinic in philadelphia they've been accused of murdering hundreds of babies, facing first degree murder charge, could face a death penalty. again the news is that the jury has reached a verdict on all of those counts, all 263 counts. so they will be running through those charges, 19 charges shortly. we have sonny hostin who is our former federal prosecutor who has been covering the trial on the ground. we will get to sonny as soon as we know more about that verdict to be read in the ker mitt gosnell trial. i don't know if you caught the president today but he accused the republican party of making a side show out of benghazi. first let's talk about theist because everyone is mad about
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that. we have learned late last week that the irs for a long time was looking especially closely at right wing groups perhaps more than others when they applied to be tax exempt. everyone is mad. i'm including democrats on that. max ba-- these actions by the i are an outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the public's trust. jessica yellin at the white house now. i heard the president say he learned about the irs -- >> he called it outrageous and the president said if true he quote will not tolerate it. listen to what the president
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said. >> if in fact irs personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported on and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outray gous and there's no place for it. you know, they have to be held fully accountable. because the irs, as an independent agency, requires absolute integrity and people have to have confidence that they're applying it in a nonpartisan way. >> now that strong language at the same time he stopped short of calling for changes at the irs and that is classic obama. cautious and patient. basically he is waiting for the irs's own internal audit to come out before he make any determinations about what he might do. but the bottom line here is he has put himself in a position where if he doesn't take action,
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he politically is in a box. you know the president has to act when that audit does come out and we expect it later this week. >> okay. jessica, appreciate it. again back to your breaking news. we have alearned out of philadelphia that the abortion doctor, now this jury in this trial has reached a verdict on all 263 counts. again it is he and his staff are accused of murdering hundreds of babies facings four counts of first beg murder. that's just a start. so we have to wait and hear. there's 19 charges to be read shortly inside the philadelphia courthouse. we'll take you there after this break.
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after 52 years in television news nbc's barbara walters said today she will retire next year. >> i will come back. i'm not walking into the sun set but i don't want to appear on another program. i don't want to climb another mountain. i want instead to sit in a sunny field and admire the very gifted women and in our case, some men too who will be taking my place. >> the 83-year-old walters made the announcement on the view in where she will remain coexecutive producer. the view was one of many milestones for walters in a industry which that is
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notoriously fickle and where careers can be short lived. he got her start back in 1961 at nbc's the today show where e she quickly rose from researcher to cohost. flash forward 15 years, she went to abc, eventually becoming the first woman to coanchor network evening news. he told big carter i keep thinking of the line from caber ray, when i go there's not going to be any please can i have another appearance. i don't want to do any interviews or any programs. i'm not joining cnn. this is it, she says. with me now is carol simpson who spent 24 years at the network and our own howard kurtz. you've interviewed barbara a number of times. she didn't triek me as the woman who would tase disappear into
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the post career either. if queen elizabeth calls her is she going to say no. >> she's only 83. she's still got some good years ahead of her. we'll see some of her of the retirement takes effect but it is really hard to imagine television without bash what walters. she has been a trail blazing presence in so many ways. >> carol, so many people have not gotten to know her. we just got to know her through watching her on television. give me run trait of barbara watt waerlts that viewers may not know. >> she was the hardest worker of anyone at abc news. he would be there earlier than anyone else and stay later than anybody else and work tirelessly to achieve all of the things that she did achieve. >> you know, one thing, howard that really struck me, this is
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something bill carter told me about when we had him on when he broke the story that she would be retiring. he writes in this new york times about her apartment. it overlooks central park. when you walk down the hallway you see the photos of news makers and presidents, world leaders that she appeared to cherish the most. >> you know, she's had an incredible life not just on the television front but a very colorful personal life. i interviewed her a couple of years ago, very charming and colorful as you would imagine. i got the sense then that he was getting tired of the daily grind. he was giving up her oscar specials and she said one more interview with one more movie star used to be novel, now there's everywhere. he still enjoys the view many but that the daily deadlines
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were something that she was starting to think about putting behind her. >> what happens to the view post barbara walters. >> it's become such a cultural institution that i think the view will continue. but the view without bash a ra walters will it be as much of a cultural force or and a news show because they have a lot of women on there. she ga -- >> carol you ren recently wrote a piece that you talked about a piece offed a vase that barbara walters once gave you. what was that. >> she told me not to run for congress which i was thinking about doing. >> why. >> because i felt i do reports -- she said why would you want to be one of 435 people in congress when you can reach 10 million people anchoring your weekend newscast. she said you have much more
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influence doing that than you would compromising with -- given how congress is today, i'm certainly glad i took that advice and did not. brooke there's one thing i wanted to mention though. >> yes. >> she's taking a year to retire. >> good point. >> she's not going to retire until summer of 2014 and i think he is going to be doing all kinds of things that he loves to be doing and abc is going to facilitate that. she'll be doing specials. he's going to do her oscar special, going to be doing the to most fascinating people of the last decade. she's going to have plenty of ex-mow sure and i think abc is thinking that's going to boost ratings on a lot of programs she will be doing. >> hopefully she is on that list this time. thanks both of you. >> she's on my list. >> what an idol. we will take you to philadelphia. the jury has reached a verdict with regard tohe
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doctor, kermit gosnell, accused of murdering babies, first degree murder. could face the death penalty if he is convicted. we're going to talk what this could mean to him, a background on the trial. how this whole thing came to light in the first place. he's agreed to give it up. that's today? [ male announcer ] we'll be with him all day as he goes back to taking tylenol. that was okay, but after lunch my knee started to hurt again, and now i gotta take more pills. ♪ yup another pill stop. can i get my aleve back yet? ♪ for my pain, i want my aleve. ♪ [ male announcer ] this may, buy aleve and help those in need. ♪ hey guys, thanks for coming. are we in trouble? no, you're not in trouble. i just want to set some ground rules. like what? well, remember last week, when you hit vinnie in the head with a shovel? [chuckling] i do not recall that. of course not. well, it was pretty graphic.
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we will take you to on the triaon the trial. how this whole thing came to light in the first place. . there is an abortion doctor in philadelphia that is about to learn his fate. his name isermit have just lea this jury in this trial has now reached a verdict on all these 250 plus counts. they're going to be reading all 19 charges andon hostin sitting in that courtroom listening. we'll talk to her momentarily. again this is a man who routinely performed illegal third term abortions in that he failed to counsel this women
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this hours ahead of time. that's the prosecution. that is all regarding this facility you're looking at, this women's medical society in west philadelphia. the defense has maintained that no babies were born alive during those abortions. again the verdict being read inside the courtroom. here's a little more from suzanne malveaux on the charges he faces. >> dr. gosnell's abortion clinic is now closed but the allegations of what happened inside are shocking. babies allegedly murdered after induced labor. >> a baby had been born and was on a cold steel table and murdered by taking zi sores, putting them into the neck and severing the spinal cord. it's homicide. it's murder. >> a scathing report alleged dr. gosnell and his staff likely murdered hundreds of baby with what he called snippings to
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insure fetal demise. accurate records were never except. so in january of 2011 dr. gosnell was accused of murdering seven babies born alive some as lath as eight months into pregnancy. last month the defense convinced the judge to drop three murder charges against him the report details a litany of gory violations where he overdosed his patients with dangerous drugs and perforated their womans and bowls. >> this woman believes she contracted a serious infection from deplorable conditions. i seen blood on the table he had the utensils on. >> this 41-year-old woman who died of an anesthetic overdose died. medical society had been in
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business since 1979. how could this have gn on for so long with no one complaining to state authorities. turns out there were complaint but the state did not shut the clinic down. the pennsylvania department of health did official inspections as far back as 1989 and repeatedly found health violations but never ensure they were corrected. the grand jury report also said the medical examiner informed the department that gosnell had performed an inlegal abourgs on a 14-year-old girl. they also received official notice of the 41-year-old's death for what he now face as murder charge. the grand jury states back in 1993 because of political reason the department of health stopped inspecting abortion clinks completely. they received a complaint a
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decade ago from a former employee that laid out the whole scope hof his operation, the unclean, unsterile conditions, the unlicensed workers, the unsupervised sedation, the under age abortion patients. they did assign an investigator who interview gosnell but they never inspected the clinic. the complaint was eventually dismissed. it all finally came to an end not because of botched abortions but because of drugs. the fbi raided his office on allegations of illegal prescriptions of oxycontin an other painkillers that brought him money hundreds of thousands of dollars a year. the feds were horrified by the conditions they discovered in the clinic. these photos show the unsanitary conditions. dr. gosnell pleaded not guilty. >> this is a person that was providing a service in philadelphia that did not do the things that the grand jury said that he did. he did not execute viable baby.
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that's not the reality of what was going on here. >> in the fallout of this case seven staffers from the department of health an department of state have sense left their job or been fired for allege mishandling of this case. they've overhauled their investigating procedures so this never can happen again. suzanne malveaux >> you heard some of the gruesome allegations that have been outlined in this garage report. again right now inside the philadelphia courthouse these 19 charges are being read aloud at this very moment. as soon as we hear we will bring it to you live here on cnn. we will be right back. we went out and asked people a simple question: how old is the oldest person you've known? we gave people a sticker and had them show us.
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i know there is such tremendous interest in the fate of this abortion doctor, kermit gosnell. i'm reading your tweets. i know you want to know his fate as do we. again, this is still happening inside the courtroom. we do not yet know. what we know is that this jury here in the philadelphia courtroom has reached a verdict on all of these 258 counts this
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man here is facing. so these 19 charges, it takes some time. they're being read inside the courtroom at the moment. as soon as we find out we will get sonny hostin up on tv. she's our legal analyst sitting in the courtroom covering the tri trial. let me talk about boston. i was four weeks ago today downtown boston was under attack. three people were killed, more than 140 wounded. today one of the bombing suspects, tamerlan tsarnaev is locked away still recovering from gunshot wounds inside this prison hospital. his brother's body is buried in the unmarked grave in virginia and for three weeks we us in boston covering the story and i was there live on television during the moment of silence one week after the bombings. just standing there with so many people you get goosebumps, you see these people who just start
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coming, lining up along boylston and you witness this incredible scene. this was the first sponders standing around at the first explosion site. people were lining up paying their respects that one week out. here is the memorial. the people of boston, they are getting back to their u day-to-day lives. many without a leg, many with scars that will change their lives forever. but today to mark four weeks, two brothers who each lost a leg in that attack are talking about their trauma. >> that day was, you know undescribable. it was may ham. >> all of the other friends of ours that got hurt, but we still got to focus on ourselves getting better first. just rehabbing and getting stronger so we can move on with
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our lives and then get -- we got to get fitted for our prosthetic. >> cnn's debra frar rick met with another survivor and has the latest on the criminal investigation. >> i am so blessed to be here one month. if you seen my legs a month ago. >> jar rad was near the finish line when the second bomb dit nated. >> i'm blesed to have my legs and my arms and my life. three of my friends lost their legs. >> four weeks ago brothers dzhokhar tsarnaev and tamerlan tsarnaev launched their deadly strike. investigators are still piecing together the motives. tamerlan was finally laid to rest last week in virginia.
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dzhokhar is in a medical prison facility. two males are in jail after trying to destroy -- another friend is chashlged lying to investigatorers. russian officials had asked them to investigate tarm will land but they never released texts tamerlan sent his mother. the fbi did not alert boston police. in congress last week boston's police commissioner was ask if more information would led police to keep an eye on tamerlan. >> we would certainly look at the information and talk with the individual. >> along boston's boylston street business has returned to normal. but the memorial roe minds us of the ones that were injured and -- >> what i seen was the worst of
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humanity. boom. and the worst thing you could see, the worst cowardest act. this pen then it was immediately followed by the best humans can do. >> that was boston four weeks ago but i want to take you to philadelphia where this man is learning his fate right now inside of this courthouse. this is dr. kermit gosnell. he owned and operated the abortion clinic for 30 years in west philadelphia and this man faces hundreds of counts but specifically four counts of first degree murder. so if convicted he could face the death penalty. after the break we're going to bring in paul callan. he is a cnn legal analyst. i want to ask him what he will find most surprising. back after this.
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once again in case you're just joining us, a jury in philadelphia now has reached a verdict on all 258 counts involving this abortion doctor owned and operated this clinic in west philadelphia for three decades. so as i speak they are reading these 19 charges inside this philadelphia courthouse. again this man, according to the prosecutor said that he routinely performed these illegal third-term abortions. one as late as eight months according to the grand jury findings but the defense says that is absolutely false. paul callan one of our cnn legal analysts joining us now. we have sonny hostin inside the courthouse. look at the media there.
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so many people have been following the trial in philadelphia. so, paul, we we sit and wait for this verdict to come out to us, what are just some of your first initial thoughts. >> one of the more interesting aspects of the case has been frankly the immediate coverage or it or lack of media coverage. we've had some reporters here at cnn who have been covering it but a lot of the media sort of looked the other way. i think in part because this case has been -- it's such a graphic and horrible case in terms of the description of the deaths that people have a hard time even looking at it, looking at the facts to have case. you know, there's a charge that four newborn infants were murdered really as a result of late term abortions and early term abortions being performed. there's -- the other very, very
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important count, there's a third-degree murder count involving the death of a 41-year-old mother who received allegedly lethal doses of sedatives and painkillers. there was graphic testimony about the doctor's clinic being filthy and -- i mean, it sounded like something from a third world country. >> yeah. >> it didn't sound like western medicine and it sounded like poor people being discriminated against. but, on the other hand the defense said, hey, this is -- this man has been targeted. it's ae lee tis targeted rashs target of a doctor who's serving poor people in pefl. the jury has been deliberating for a very long time. they've been out for a week and a half which is an extremely
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lengthy time for a murder prosecution. that's sort of the general view of it. >> i remember when the story broke and you talk about a dirt of media coverage. we were one of the first to do the story once upon a time. what a lot of people may not realize is that this story came to light -- this was cracked open not because people thought that was happening inside this abortion clinic, but it was because federal invest investigators wept inside the clippic because of allegations of him selling narcotics and little bid they know what they would find mplth that's right and it opened pandora's box and they started looking in a detailed way of his medical records and the operations of the clinic. there's also a larger sort of political question that lingers when there's any kind of a case involving abortion. and, you know, that is that, you
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know, people thinking this is anti-abortion people trying to put out of business a doctor who is trying to provide, you know, this care and treatment to women. where as, of course, the opponents of abortion say, this is horrific, and this man deserves to be convicted. there's that sort of fight going on. i think that in the end a lot e of people didn't want to look at it. they were kind of pretending this case wasn't taking place. obviously we're looking at it very closely today because the stakes are very high for the doctor and for people who live in philadelphia. >> let me hit pause on this conversation right now. stay with me. again a jury reading all 19 charges aaloud inside the philadelphia courthouse. have to take a quick break. we're back, breaking news, in just a moment.
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once again all eyes on this trial here in philadelphia as we have learned after much, much deliberation in this kermit gosnell case, this abortion doctor out of west philadelphia, ve now learned that the jury has reached a verdict on all 258 counts involving this man. 19 charges reading through them very slowly and carefully inside this u courthouse. we have sonny hostin inside.
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as soon as we get worded on his fate -- again if convicted of any of the first degree murder charges he could face the death penalty. more breaksing news after the break. angie's list is essential. i automatically go there. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. if you want to save yourself time and avoid a hassle, go to angie's list. at angie's list, you'll find the right person to do the job you need. and you'll find the right person quickly and easily. i'm busy, busy, busy, busy. thank goodness for angie's list. from roofers to plumbers to dentists and more, angie's list -- reviews you can trust. oh, angie? i have her on speed dial.
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and we continue to wait to lerp the fate of this abortion doctor who faces first degree murder in philadelphia, kermit gosnell. sitting inside a philadelphia courthouse here as these 19 charnls are being read right now. paul call alan let me bring you back in. one question i have for you as we await the charngs being read here. have you ever heard of a case like this, a case involving an abortion doctor and these four first degree murder charges involving babies? >> no, brooke, i never have. and actually, as i was watching the case go in, it really
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reminded me of the stories we used to hear back in the early days before roe versus wade when many states made abortion a crime and there were certain states like new york that permitted abortions, but other states did not and women sort of got these back alley abortions. you would hear descriptions very similar to the descriptions we heard in this trial of terrible conditions and terrible, horrible things happening to the women. that such allegations would be made in this day and age after so many years that we thought we had escaped from that has been a surprise to a lot of people. i frankly can't remember having ever seen a criminal case involving this. now certainly we've seen -- there have been criminal cases involving abortions and there have been people charged with demonstrating against abortion
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clinics. as a matter of fact homicide cases against people who have killed doctors who perform abortions. we've had a lot of controversial cases but never a case like this that i can remember. >> again, these are 19 separate charges that he is facing, four of which involve first degree murder of these babies, according to prosecutors, babies that were born alive. again the defense says no, that was not the case. but if the jury convicts him on at least one, one of those counts of first-degree murder, he could face the death penalty, correct. >> yes, he could face the death penalty. if the jury finds against him on those counts or even one of those counts, the description of how the baby or the fetus, depending upon how far along the baby was at the time of the
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abortion, died is so horrible to contemplate. i mean they were virtually decapitated according to expert testimony in the case. scissors were used to cut the spine of newborn infants. it would be certainly a chase that would have tab taken very sears yously at the time of sentencing if it's found that he knew that this these were living human beings that e was killing. so it's a horrific case in the jury comes in against him on this. now, of course, the defense says none of this is true, that in fact these were legally sanctioned abortions, this was not murder, that this was a medical procedure that is lawful in the united states and more particularly in the state of pennsylvania. so, you know, a tough hard fought case throughout the trial. so, you know, we'll see what the
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jury has to say about it momentarily. >> we are waiting as those charges are being read out loud inside that courtroom. again we have sonny hostin sitting inside the courtroom. as soon as we get word we will put her on tv an pass that verdict along to you on cnn. let me switch gears and talk about another happening in a courtroom today. o.j. simpson, nothing quite like it when he goes on trial. here he was back in court today, now 65, grayer, a few more pounds. he want as new trial. he's visit the year 2007, 12 years after his acquittal for murder, wearing jeans and a lavender shirt, he led five beefy men on a recovery operation. he's confronting the two men in the small las vegas hotel room. he believed they were trying to sell items they had stolen from him. here he was. >> don't let nobody out of this
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[ bleep ] still -- don't let nobody out of here [ bleep ] look at me [ bleep ] get over there [ bleep ] hey watch your bp [ bleep ] mike took it. >> as it turned out two of simpsons tough guys were armed that day and that little circumstance didn't help simpson, 33 years robbery, kidnapping and assault even though he was taking items that rightly belonged to him. with us from las vegas ted rollins. ted, you were inside that courtroom. tell me what happened and tell us about o.j. simpson. he's aged a little bit since the last time we saw him. >> yeah, he has. i sat through the entire trial four and a half years ago. he's losing a little hair, gang some gray. you know he sat there and
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listened. he is in prison gash. there's no jury here. they made he get shackled to the chair too. his hands were free but they shackled him with waist shackles. we're expecting a week long hearing and quite frankly it's starting off very slowly. although his daughter u was on the stand before his lunch break. he was happy to see his daughter so he smiled a lot when she was testifying. he was actually reprimanded for the bailiffs for turning around trying to make eye contact with people in the galley. he's looking straight ahead. but he does look a little different like us all, brooke, we age, especially i guess if you're in prison. >> i'm sure that quickens the process. let's talk about wednesday because we know that that is when o.j. simpson will be testifying and he is saying his last attorney talked him out of doing just that.
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at the very least, that should be very interesting for those of you in the courtroom to see. >> reporter: oh, absolutely. talk to his attorneys this mr. be the first time that you'll hear o.j.'s side of the story from start to finish. there are 19 separate things that they have said were ineffective in terms of his previous counselor. they only need one to get a new trial here. this is the most common thing that folks in prison do. but there are a couple of those 19 that could give simpson a real shot at it here. one is you mentioned not being able to testify saying he wanted to -- lawyer told him not too. but there was a plea deal offered that he claims he new nothing about, which was two to five years. he would be out of prison right now if he accepted that and the other someone yale galanter knew about the caper the day before it happened and was completely
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privy to it all. if that was true that would be a conflict of interest for his attorney to be involved in this crime. that's the one they're concentrating on. >> thank you. in washington today you heard it right here, president obama lashing oubt at the irs for singling out conserve tiff groups giving them added scrutiny when they apply for tax exempt status. this began to blow up this past friday. these are the president's first remarks on the particular matter. >> if in fact irs personnel engaged in the kind of practices that have been reported own and were intentionally targeting conservative groups, then that's outrageous and there's no place for it. >> that's not the last time he will be asked about that. he took a totally different tone when questioned about benghazi. jake tapper joins me.
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jam, the president he seemed pretty dismissive toward the house republicans who are pushing the probe. >> specifically the president was targeting against those who were asking about the talking points, the series of e-mails and talking points that were intended for members of congress in the days immediately after the attack on the compound in benghazi on september 11, to 12 and the president targeted his dismissal on those republicans in that area of inquiry. >> the whole issue of talking points, frankly throughout this process has been a side show. what we have been very clear about is that immediately after this happened we were not clear who exactly had carried it out, how it had occurred, what the motivations were. >> it's an interesting
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construct. what we have been very clear about is initially after the attack we were not clear but the idea that there were so many differing view points as to whether or not it was an act of terrorism or whether or not this was a demonstration that got out of control, the allegation by republicans is that the white house and others in the administration were trying to cover it up and dismiss the idea that this was terrorism. president obama did acknowledge the one big issue that independent review looked at, brooke, which is whether or not and why so many people in the state department deny the request for more security that were made by diplomats on the ground in libya. he acknowledged that those individuals did not have enough security and that was a serious problem. >> we'll look for you at the top f the hour on the lead 4:00 p.m. eastern. meantime we sit and we wait to learn the fate of kermit gosnell, the abortion doctor facing first degree murder,
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were investigating whether or not he was giving ou narcotics in this clinic that he owned for 30 years. in addition to those charges, perjury, illegal late term abortion, abuse of corpse, theft by despepgs. the list goes on and own. sonny hostin is sitting inside the courtroom listening to the charges being read aloud. as soon as we get that we will talk to her and let you know the fate of this man. in the meantime here's sonny with some background on this case. >> here at dr. kermit gosnell's shuttered philadelphia clinic, a memorial by ape unknown artist at the medical facility prosecutors have branded a house of horrors where illegal late term abortions were performed. people stop and stare including this woman who was one of his
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former patients. the gruesome allegations of the case, dirty procedure rooms with, blood stained weathered equipment, babies borng alive, breathing and crying only to have their spinal cord snipped by scissors shocked the nation. do you think your baby was alive? >> yes. >> how have you dealt with that? >> i try not to think about it, you know, but i think about it. it's sad. i wish i never did it. if i would have known what i know now, i wouldn't have had an abortion a day in my life. >> mckinley now a mother said he was approximately six months pregnant at the time dr. gosnell performed her abortion which was not part of the criminal case against him. in. . like many states, abortions are illegal after 24 weeks. cnn could not independently verify her account and gosnell's lawyers are under a gag order.
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others in the community remember gosnell as their neighborhood doctor, a man who seemed ever ready to lend a helping hand. >> when my mother got sick, she was ill with cancer for about 14 years, the last years of her life dr. gosnell was definitely very helpful in terms of making house call -- >> he actually made house calls to see your mother? >> he did. he did come to the house and make house calls to my mother. >> the question now, how did this neighborhood doctor become a defendant in one of the most gruesome trials in philadelphia history. >> i think there are two sides to every coin and i think the guy that i knew growing up, there has to be some of that still in there. >> sonny hostin cnn philadelphia. >> coming up next a manhunt underway for the person or persons responsible for shooting up a mother's day parade in new orleans. you're about to hear in one of
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the victims who still has a bullet in his leg. plus new surveillance video just in.
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all right. we are seconds now, i promise you, seconds away from hearing of how this jury decided in this abortion doctor case in philadelphia. i am being told that our legal analyst who is sitting in that courthouse is literally putting oun a mike phone as i speak and stepping infront of the camera. this is a man -- repeat that one more time? sorry i'm listening to -- guilty of first degree murder, how many counts, eric? three counts. all right. forgive me as i am getting the news as i pass it along to you. here we go. guilty on three counts of first degree murder. this is what we're getting from sonny hostin who was inside the
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courtroom. that obviously is huge. this is a man who according to this garage report according to prosecutors routinely performed illegal third-term abortions by, forgive the gruesome nature of the testimony, but basicallily snipping babes' spinel cords with scissors. with those four first degree counts -- four counts of first-degree murder we're learning he has been found guilty of three of thouz counts. sonny hostin can you hear me? tell me what you've learned from the jury. >> well, the jury has found dr. kermit gosnell guilty of three capital charges involving baby a baby c and baby d. he was found not guilty of capital murder for baby e.
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but again, the important counts here there the capital charges. found guilty of three. he was also found guilty of the involuntary mance slaurth of one of his patients. so all together we're talking about three capital charges, murder in the first degree involving infants and we're also talking about one count of involuntary manslaughter. i'm looking at the verdict sheet because it's so very extensive as we've mentioned before. he was charged with 263 counts in this case, 19 charges all together. he was found guilty in total of 242 counts, 17 charges in all. this was almost a sweep for the prosecution. brooke, i will tell you, that the prosecutor was sobbing in the courtroom as she was holg one of the investigators. and the defendants interestingly enough, dr. gosnell, he really was almost emotionalless when
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the jury was polled when the jury came back with their very extensive verdict. it was only after the jury left and i had the opportunity to look at him. that's why i actually -- i waited to get his reaction. he was just shaking his head no almost as in a disbelief. >> wow. so you made eye contact, so you stuck around to see this man, this man who now as we've learned has been convicted on three of four capital accounts counts, the capital murder. he could face the death penalty. sonny i want to hear more about the atmosphere inside the courtroom. you say the prosecutor was sobbing. >> the prosecutor was sobbing. i'm right in front of the courthouse. it was packed in that courtroom. in fact we were locked inside for this verdict. and i will tell you, brooke, everyone in philadelphia has been talking about this case. the jury deliberated ten days in this case. e everyone is talking about it.
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and there was just such tension in the courtroom pen awas a federal prosecutor. i've tried cases covered cases. i haven't ever been in a courtroom quite like this one. people almost were not breathing. again there was such a presence of courtroom officers. i would say by my count at least 20 officers were in the courtroom for the reading of this verdict. it really is something, almost as if i've never seen. i want to mention there was a codefendant in this case, dr. o'neal. he was found guilty of, by my count, four counts of conspiracy and also of false impression. now she was crying pretty much throughout the reading of the verdict. i also stayed around, looked at her, she was -- seem to have a look of acceptance on her face but really almost hysterical,
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sobbing in her face in contrast to dr. gosnell who was pretty stone faced up to the end. he seemed almost shell-shocked. >> you specifically said this is one of the most gruesome cases ever in philadelphia. and if we can, the details are absolutely gruesome but in terms of the rarity of a case like this, here you have this abortion doctor owned and operated this lynn clinic in the neighborhood three decades and now he faces being put to death because of what he has now been convicted of doing. have you ever heard of a case involving fetuses, babies like this? >> reporter: i really haven't. one thing that struck any having been a prosecutor. i've seen plenty of gruesome things during my career. the grand jury in h case had exhibits and pictures attached
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to it. i've never seen anything like that both as a mother and as a lawyer, it was really very difficult to cover this case, very difficult to review the grand jury report. and in this grand jury report you saw pictures of these babies born and they were quite large. and you ools, as you viewers know, he was now convicted of snipping the cords, the spinal cords on the back of these babies' necks. you could see the incisions on the back of their necks in the grand jury report. this is really something the likes of i've just never seen. >> okay. sonny hostin, i have one more question to you as far as what is next to him. but quick break. kermit gosnell now found guilty, convicted on three of the first-degree murder charges. we're back in a moment. girl: first, i saw it on cable. then i read about it online. i found out how to help.
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had operated for 30 years in west philadelphia. sonny hostin was sitting inside the courthouse describing the prosecutor sobbing as the verdict was being read and gosnell himself just sitting there emotionless shaking his head. sonny, what is next for him now that we have the guilty? >> well now that he's been found guilty of three capital charges we're told that on monday the penalty phase will begin. i have been speaking to folks that know that doctor in the community. i spoke to his former attorney and i've also spoken to family friends, what they are all saying is that he was known as sort of the neighborhood doctor, someone who devoted his career to this particular community in west philly. some are anticipating that dr. gosnell may take the stand. he did not of course in the guilty phase but some are speculating that he may in fact take the stand in his defense
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for the penalty phase. and that would be for the mitigation here because he's 72 years old, brooke. he has been practicing for the majority of his career and there are some that are saying that he did some good in the community. and so i suspect that we will hear about that on monday. >> okay. thank you so much for jumping out in front of a camera and letting us know how the jury found this man, this abortion doctor. danny so value lis, let me turn to you. you live in philadelphia, you are a criminal defense attorney. one, as someone who lives in this city, how has this trial so captivated this community wa and b, we heard sonny mention that there's a possibility that gosnell could take the stand in this penalty phase. do you think he should? well, first question the way it's affected the city, the attorneys have been under a gag order and they haven't spoken much. so even work in this criminal
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justice center every day you don't hear a lot of scuttlebutt in the hallways. this could be as important a phase to the trial as the guilty phase of the trial because we will see a lot of people testify on his behalf, people that thought he was a good person, a good doctor, and it may be very helpful. he has a constitutional right to testify or not to testify. when it comes to the mitigation phase, he may do well to testify and let the people humanize him and avoid the harshest penl pmt i think we can very much expect there's going to be plenty of evidence, plenty of testimony open when it come to the sentencing phase. >> the harshest penalty being death in this case. thapg you so much for cocalling in from philadelphia.
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from gun fire. 19 people were hit at this mother's day parade in new orleans. amateur video shows the moment of gun fire sunday afternoon. >> man go [ bleep ]. [ gunfire ] >> police have released surveillance video of a suspected shooter here, four victims are still in the hospital. most of the wounds they say were minor, including those of journalist marn marc hurts guard who talked to me, said he could tell the shooter was right behind him but he didn't see a face. >> the shooter was right behind me. i did not see the shooter but i could tell from the sounds and i know what gun fire sounds like, that the shooter is probably 10 feet behind me. you can see me on the view you just showed. i heard the pop pop pop pop, saw everybody running and like them
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i threw myself down on the pavement. i was lucky. i just got shut shot in the leg. three people were taken to the trauma unit. >> new orleans police are offering a $10,000 reward for information. we are awaiting a news conference from new orleans police on more information into the mother's day shooting. next a chilling cnn's exclusive. ariel castro's two brothers sit down with cnn an reveal their thoughts on castro's alleged house of horrors. how could they not have known. i was in cleveland last week. that is the question on everyone's mind. their answer and this entire interview next. matt's brakes didn't sound right... ...so i brought my car to mike at meineke...
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got some nus in from washington for you. this is according to our chief
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congressional correspondent. the irs specifically targeted groups like the tea party. we have learned that the committee will be holding a hear into this coming friday. and all of this happening on the day that the president of the united states remarked on these allegations saying, quote, there is no place for this. look for that happening on the hill on friday. in cleveland their brother is accused of the unthinkable. in the 24 hours after amanda berry escaped that home h on seymour avenue in cleveland, onil and pedro castro were arrested soon after they appeared alongside their brother in court. but their small time charges were nothing compared to what their brother now stands accused of. these two brothers are now talking to cnn, to our correspondent martin savidge telling them what they think of the man they once called their kin and they now call him a monster. we have an exclusive interview. let me tell you, these men are
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candid, they are angry, they are unforgiving. we'll look at what they told police, quote, we are innocent. watch. >> did you in any way know, help, assist your brother in the horrible things he's accused of doing? >> absolutely not. no idea that this horrific crime was going on. >> pedro? >> no. >> you know there were people who will say you had to know. how is it possible for so long in that home your brother, you couldn't know. >> for those people out there, i'm going to tell you something, i had nothing to do with this. i don't know how my brother got away with it for so many years
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because that would never cross my mind. >> he fooled you in. >> he fooled he because i used to go there more than he did to work on cars, clean the yard, you know help him out and stuff but never go beyond the kitchen. >> onil, there was nothing -- >> absolutely nothing that i can see that was unusual in that back yard. i can't say in the house because i haven't been in the house in years. >> do you worry now that people will always suspect that you actually did have a role? >> absolutely. >> yes. and the people out there that know me, they know that onil castro is not the person, has nothing to do with that. i could never think of doing
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anything like that. >> if i knew my brother was doing this, i would not be -- i would not -- in a minute i would call the cops. because that ain't right. but, yeah, it's going to haunt me down because people are going to think pedro got something to do with this. pedro don't have nothing to do with this. if i knew i would have reported it, brother or no brother. >> what is your brother to you now? >> a monster, hateful, i hope he rots in that jail. i don't even want them to take his life like that. i want him to suffer in that jail to the last extent. i don't care if they even feed him. what he has done to my life and my family's. >> i feel the same way. >> to the both of you he no longer exists. >> yeah.
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>> he is gone? >> he is goner. >> almost as if he were dead. >> the monster ask a goner. lime glad that he left the door unlocked or whatever he did, maybe he did it on purpose, maybe he wanted to get caught, maybe time was up, but if he did that he shouldn't have went to momma's house and picked me up and put him in a car. >> if you could take to gina, ma shel or talk to amanda, and in a way you are, i guess, what would you say? >> i would tell her, i would tell them that i'm sorry that you had to go through this. i was thinking about these girls being missing and i'm just grateful that they're home, you know, out of that horrible house. i just, i'd just tell them i'm
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sorry for what ariel done. >> coming up next, the brothers send a message to the family of one of the victims and explain what why they decided to come forward in the first place. we had never used a contractor before and didn't know where to start. at angie's list, you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare written by people just like you. no company can pay to be on angie's list, so you can trust what you're reading. angie's list is like having thousands of close neighbors where i can go ask for personal recommendations. that's the idea. before you have any work done,
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before we continue with the castro brothers' interview, you are about to hear from police in new orleans speaking about that
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mother's day shooting rampage during that parade. 19 people it there were some that were direct on gunshot wounds. we have no ability to give you the conditions of those who went through surgery yesterday, but we do know they are still receiving medical care. we cannot really discuss their conditions. we are still trying to determine if there was more than one gunman and more than one weapon open the scene. we have recovered ballistic evidence an the evidence is giving us very good leads to work on. our detectives from the fifth district from the leadership of commander goodly and lieutenant hart have worked virtually nonstop since yesterday afternoon with many of the new orleans police department in support, our gang unit, intelligence unit and certainly many of our partnerships in the federal government, the fbi, the atf, dea and others. one of our best partners in the entire thing is of course crime stoppers. last night darlene costanza
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allowed us to announce at the 10:00 news cycle a $10,000 reward was being offered. as soon as that issue, literally, went out, we started getting more information. so again we want to thank crime stoppers and we want to remind people please call if you know anything. we want to remind people that the advanced use of cell phones and handheld video devices has been throughout this event so if you know of anyone or you have any such audio or video evidence, please forward it to us. you can forward it to crime stoppers or the police department or the dea, fbi, atf, whoever you feel comfortable with. please forward that information. there were dozens of people in yesterday's second line. we know there are still some of you who know information so please reconsider and let us know. i don't think anybody who lives in the city of new orleans wants to know something that could help us solve this case, thinking about the young children who were hurt, think
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about the 10-year-old who was hurt, the 9-year-old who was hurt, and if you had information that could help us, i know you want to tell us. so please call crime stoppers and let them know and let them help our detectives. our lead detectives, robert hearst and ray l. johnson of the fifth district under the leadership of sergeant mccabe are making significant headway in this case. i can assure whoever did this, we know a lot more about you than you think we do, and my recommendation to you is to collect yourself and turn yourself in to the nearest police facility, the district attorney's office or anywhere you may want. at this time, we would like to ask darlene costanza to say awe few words and phil durham with the atf. it was atf who helped advance the award amount from $5,000 to $10,000 last night. then we'll take some questions after that. we're also joinled today by dave reichert of the fbi. darlene? s is. >> you've been listening to police in new orleans there
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talking about that shooting just yesterday on mother's day in the middle of this parade. we've seen some surveillance video. really the headline that stuck out to me is the fact that we heard the individual saying that they do not know if there was more than one shooter or more than one weapon used. looking into that, investigating that, again, 19 people hit by bullets just yesterday. he reiterated the award is now higher an at $10,000 for information that could lead to an arrest. when we come back, we are getting some news here involving a pressure cooker and involving a man arriving at the detroit airport coming specifically from saudi arabia who's been in federal custody arrested here. more news as this story is trickling in here on cnn. the doctor put me on a bayer aspirin regimen. [ male announcer ] be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. go talk to your doctor. you're not indestructible anymore.
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is right now being held in custody right now. he had his initial appearance at 1:00 in michigan in court this afternoon. he's been assigned a federal defender. he hasn't been able to explain why those pages were missing from his passport and he went through a secondary screening after he initially went through customs and they thought, why are the pages missing, they sent him to the secondary screening area. at that point they found the pressure cooker which, of course, is the focus of attention right now because of the boston marathon bombing last month. >> right. >> reporter: so at that point he told them a sto story that he allegedly changed during the time they were asking him about the pressure cooker, saying that he had brought it for his nephew and right now they're just trying to figure out what exactly is the story here. >> todd sperry, thank you for getting the story to us. as you mentioned, this man on a flight from saudi arabia to
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detroit now in temporary federal custody. we'll look for more on that. thank you. to cleveland now we go, martin savidge joining me now on this stunning interview, martin, that you got with these two brothers o'neil and ped droe castro, brother of who they're now calling the monster, o'neil castro who lives in the home just over your left shoulder. i don't know how long the interview went on with the two of them, martin, but what was your biggest takeaway? >> reporter: i think it was the fact that you could sense the emotion. i mean, it was a physical force inside of that room. as we sat down and talked, these are men clearly not used to television lights, not used to all the attention, and they definitely did not want to be thrust into the horrible limelight as a result of their brother. but they were motivated by two things. number one, they wanted to make sure that the families of those young women knew that they were not responsible in any way. cleveland police had already said that, but they felt it was
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important that they went to the world, because their face had been shown to the world, and denied that they had any involvement whatsoever. i really pushed them on those points. and the other thing was that they wanted to make sure that the families knew they were also so relieved that their dausghtes were now free. the fact that they could take the questions, the fact that they were willing to take whatever i might throw at them and answer honestly -- and i think it comes through that they are very sincere. they're scared to death, but they are sincere in the way they talk. >> just the way they were speaking, how candid they were with you, i know you and i -- i saw you last week up there, and so many people were saying, how could they not have known? again, we're hearing stories from o'neil castro's daughter of, well, she would just come over and hear loud music being played. she didn't think twice because he was in a band and loved music. an incredible interview. we have the whole thing posted on cnn.com. martin savidge, thank you so much, incredible reporting from cleveland.
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as we now know o'neil castro faces multiple charges involving kidnapping and rape of those young women. i'm brooke baldwin thanks for being with me at the cnn headquarters in atlanta. now to washington, jake tapper and "the lead" starts now. the verdict is in in philadelphia. the doctor has been found guilty of horrific crimes. i'm jake tapper, and this is "the lead." the national lead. born alive. breathing crying and cruelly killed a jury found by a aphiladelphia abortion provider. the man now destined for a life behind bars at the very least. we'll go right to the courtroom for all the latest. in other national news, well, it's not paranoia if the irs is really out to get you. the agency apparently singled out conservative groups, enemies of the president, but the president says he first learn birthday it friday when the story broke. and those taxmen seen headed under the bus.